Over at the Panhandle “Truth” squad a fearmongering post was made detailing some scientists not wanting to use nuclear weapons against Iran if they were to attempt to develop nuclear weapons. I say fearmongering because the last line of the post says, “Stay tuned for World War III.” Now then, I can’t say for sure what the poster meant by that comment, but I am sure it is something loosely along the lines of, “OMG ChimpyMcBushitler is gonna nuke Iran and plunge the world into MAD!”
Before I continue let me say that I do share some of their frustration with the idea of using nuclear weapons on anyone. However, any casual listener of the news would want to consider all of their options when dealing with a lunatic regime such as Iran’s.
Continuing, I think it is safe to conclude that whatever happens with this whole Iraq fiasco, liberals don’t want to for the US to use nuclear weapons against Iraq in any form or fasion. That is a valid point they have and I don’t deride them for it. I even expressed as much in their comments section. However, I posed the question, “What are your plans to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons?”
So far, as of 11pm of April 22, 2006, the question has gone unanswered. Is it me or is there a trend here? Liberals always want to bitch about what doesn’t go their way, but they never offer up a solution to the problem. I don’t like Bush manning the reigns as much as the next guy, but at least he has the testicular fortitude to man them. Also, I am not saying the only solution is to use nukes, either, but I want all options to be on the table. Honestly I think Israel will attack Iran long before we attempt to do anything about it.
The comment following mine, and subsequent comments following it that supported it, were as follows:
Do you honestly fear the Iranians as much as you seem too?
Do you really feel that future leaders of our nation will be unable to face a threat that may or may not come to fruition?
Do you feel the solution must be a violent one that involves the deaths of thousands, or is there a slight possibility that despite the mean spirited retoric of some Muslim leaders we could still reach a peaceful agreement?
I read some of your mean spirited rant on you link and I can see you have a narrow and uninformed view of who liberals are. You imagine we are idiots. You’ve been completely brainwashed by big money mouthpieces. You should meet some liberals and get yourself a little more of an open mind.
You seem to hate liberals, your own countrymen, more than our real enemies. You are a traitor to our nation.
It’s hard to be polite to someone who has so many false impressions about others. You are what is wrong with America sir.
Your party is in control and yet you breed contempt for half of your countrymen. Yet you say liberals are the ones filled with hate and pride…what a hypocrit.
You would gladly deny liberals free speech, but champion the right of a few very wealthy lobbyist to have the voice of thousands.
The right wing message, with it’s billions to spend, with its think tanks and research has managed to find just the right phrases to enrage your sensibilities toward your countrymen. You need to shake off that brainwashing. We are not your enemy sir…liberals are not your enemy.
Please wake up.
Now then, the poster of that comment is free to say what he wants, and I invite him to. However, and as I did in response to what I quoted, was ask him to come over here and talk about what he has a problem with and leave the comments on topic of that post to the “ChimpyMcBushitler is gonns kill us all” post.
Doubtful that he will post here, I will force him to post here by wonderful ctr-c ctrl-v.
So lets tackle this point by point:
Do you honestly fear the Iranians as much as you seem too?
Honestly, I do. I fear for Israel more than I do for myself or my family, however. I feel this way because the leaders of Iran have said this:
“You should make the world understand that Israel is the oppressor and that Israel must be destroyed.” — Ayatollah Ali Meshkini“The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm.” — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
“Very soon, this stain of disgrace [i.e. Israel] will be purged from the center of the Islamic world – and this is attainable.” — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
“As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map.” — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
“They have fabricated a legend under the name ‘Massacre of the Jews’, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves.” — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
“(I)f someone were to deny the myth of the Jews’ massacre, all the Zionist mouthpieces and the governments subservient to the Zionists tear their larynxes and scream against the person as much as they can.” — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
“If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in its possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave anything in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world” — Former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani
“Thanks to the blood of the martyrs, a new Islamic revolution has arisen and the Islamic revolution of 1384 [the current Iranian year] will, if God wills, cut off the roots of injustice in the world. The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world.” — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
“Iran’s hardline spiritual leaders have issued an unprecedented new fatwa, or holy order, sanctioning the use of atomic weapons against its enemies.
In yet another sign of Teheran’s stiffening resolve on the nuclear issue, influential Muslim clerics have for the first time questioned the theocracy’s traditional stance that Sharia law forbade the use of nuclear weapons.
One senior mullah has now said it is “only natural” to have nuclear bombs as a “countermeasure” against other nuclear powers, thought to be a reference to America and Israel.
The pronouncement is particularly worrying because it has come from Mohsen Gharavian, a disciple of the ultra-conservative Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah-Yazdi, who is widely regarded as the cleric closest to Iran’s new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.” — The Telegraph
“After his U.N. speech in September, Ahmadinejad was caught on videotape telling a cleric that during the speech an aura, a halo, appeared around his head right on the podium of the General Assembly. “I felt the atmosphere suddenly change. And for those 27 or 28 minutes, the leaders of the world did not blink. . . . It seemed as if a hand was holding them there, and it opened their eyes to receive the message from the Islamic Republic.” — Charles Krauthammer on Mahmoud Ahmadinezhad
“To shouts of “Death to America,” Iran’s parliament unanimously approved the outline of a bill Sunday that would require the government to resume uranium enrichment, legislation likely to deepen an international dispute over Iran’s nuclear activities.” — Associated Press Via Little Green Footballs
“Relations between the west and the hardline Iranian regime are set to worsen after a Tehran-based group claimed yesterday it was trying to recruit Iranians and other Muslims in Britain to carry out suicide bombings against Israel.
The Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign, which claims to be independent but has the backing of the regime, said it is targeting potential recruits in Britain because of the relative ease with which UK passport-holders can enter Israel.” — The Guardian
“The first target is Israel. For us, that is the battlefield. All the Jews are targets, whether military or civilian. It’s our land and they are in the wrong place. It’s their duty to pay attention to safety of their own families and move them away from the battlefield.” — Mohammad Samadi, spokesman for The Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign
“Some 10,000 people have registered their names to carry out martyrdom operations on our defined targets. Our targets are mainly the occupying American and British forces in the holy Iraqi cities, all the Zionists in Palestine, and Salman Rushdie.” — Mohammad Samadi, spokesman for The Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign
“The world of Islam has been mobilized against America for the past 25 years. The peoples call, “death to America.” Who used to say “death to America?” Who, besides the Islamic Republic and the Iranian people, used to say this? Today, everyone says this.” — Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
“God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism” — President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Do you really feel that future leaders of our nation will be unable to face a threat that may or may not come to fruition?
Not if a Democrat or even a Neo-Con is in power. As poorly as Iraq was handled I shudder to think what would happen if Bush took on the responsibility of Iran. Hopefully some true conservatives can be voted in and we start laying down the law militarily and fiscally. (Sadly, I doubt that will ever happen)
Secondly, I want this problem dealt with today, so my children don’t have to. That, or bear the responsibility as little as possible.
Do you feel the solution must be a violent one that involves the deaths of thousands, or is there a slight possibility that despite the mean spirited retoric of some Muslim leaders we could still reach a peaceful agreement?
When (some) muslims praise a terrorist as a hero and threaten to behead those who draw a picture of muhammed, yah, I feel the solution will have to be a violent one. Not that I want it to be a violent one, but I would rather die in battle fighting for my ideals rather than bending over backwards to appease fanatics.
I read some of your mean spirited rant on you link
Thank you, stop by anytime.
I can see you have a narrow and uninformed view of who liberals are. You imagine we are idiots.
And you, as a liberal, imagine all conservatives are idiots. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
Sorry, but I know full well who liberals are. I don’t know what I can say to prove it to you. Why don’t you quiz me?
You’ve been completely brainwashed by big money mouthpieces.
You don’t have to prove to me that you don’t think all conservatives are idiots, that says it righ there. “He has a narrow view of what liberals are, he must be brainwashed!”
My thoughts are my own, sir. I construct as good as an opinoin as I can; that is the main reaosn I frequent PTS and ask questions like I do there.
You seem to hate liberals, your own countrymen, more than our real enemies. You are a traitor to our nation.
Oh yes, call me a traitor. Thats the right thing to do. That is open mindedness right there I tell you! Yes, a decorated US Marines is a traitor to our nation because he has a negative opinion about those he disagrees with.
Hey, if we are going to use your logic, you are a traitor, too! Lets string each other up, count to 3, and we will kick each other’s chair out from under us!
Honestly, you seem to love our enemies more than our own countrymen, from my POV; and I don’t call you a traitor for it, either.
It’s hard to be polite to someone who has so many false impressions about others. You are what is wrong with America sir.
I could say the same to you.
Your party is in control and yet you breed contempt for half of your countrymen. Yet you say liberals are the ones filled with hate and pride…what a hypocrit.
And you know what my party is, how?
Typical liberal, making assumptions.
Hey, by your logic, you’re a hypocrit, too!
You would gladly deny liberals free speech, but champion the right of a few very wealthy lobbyist to have the voice of thousands.
Hahaha, ok, please quote me to where I endorsed that.
The right wing message, with it’s billions to spend, with its think tanks and research has managed to find just the right phrases to enrage your sensibilities toward your countrymen.
The same holds true for the left wing message.
ou need to shake off that brainwashing. We are not your enemy sir…liberals are not your enemy.
I could say the same, but opposite, to you.
This is one of the first photos I took as the people coming to shout down the KKK were marching in from the post office.
