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	<title>Comments on: Could You Have Passed the 8th Grade in 1895?</title>
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		<title>By: Lymnoccalay</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agreed with you</description>
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		<title>By: celtictexan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To 1&amp;2 ROTFLMAO. So very true. You should have added gun toting, bible thumpers to the last

As far as Snopes goes I too, am beginning to see that in situations that support conservative philosophy, they seem to always find a way to make the left look right also. Fact check .org does the same thing. In Fact I will post later about this e-mail going around in several different forms that mentions McCain and the long history of military service to our country of both his ancestors, himself and his sons. At he same time it links Obama to Islam. The sites admit the parts about McCain are true but deny the part about Obama or just leave that part out altogether. I&#039;ll have that up later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To 1&amp;2 ROTFLMAO. So very true. You should have added gun toting, bible thumpers to the last</p>
<p>As far as Snopes goes I too, am beginning to see that in situations that support conservative philosophy, they seem to always find a way to make the left look right also. Fact check .org does the same thing. In Fact I will post later about this e-mail going around in several different forms that mentions McCain and the long history of military service to our country of both his ancestors, himself and his sons. At he same time it links Obama to Islam. The sites admit the parts about McCain are true but deny the part about Obama or just leave that part out altogether. I&#8217;ll have that up later.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious Texan</title>
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		<description>Always the skeptic when no primary sources are provided, I checked out snopes.com about this.  Amazingly, snopes doesn&#039;t dispute the authenticity of the exam, only that the exam fails to prove that American education is in decline (which is a matter of opinion rather than fact; I always thought that snopes was a fact checking site).  One argument made is that a student from 1895, having been recently drilled on the information required in the exam, will of course fare better than even adults of today.

Snopes also uses an argument I&#039;ve often heard from my brother and sister-in-law (both educators) - that knowledge of the late 19th Century is simply irrelevant in the early 21st Century.  Although it&#039;s true that the subject matter of some of the questions is culturally specific to rural Kansas in the 1890&#039;s (bushels of wheat, acres of land, etc.), I would counter that its not the &lt;i&gt;content&lt;/i&gt; of the knowledge, but rather the &lt;i&gt;quality&lt;/i&gt; that&#039;s being tested - what educators refer to as higher order thinking skills.  (See this link to an overview of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ceap.wcu.edu/Houghton/Learner/think/bloomsTaxonomy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bloom&#039;s taxonomy&lt;/a&gt;.)

In my brief career as a substitute teacher, I found that a lot of high school students&#039; time was spent on finding words in the textbook and copying them into blank spaces on worksheets.  When compared to the level of thinking required of their counterparts in the 1890&#039;s, I think today&#039;s students are really getting short changed.

Looking over the 1895 test, I only found two questions that most students in 2008 would feel comfortable answering.  Here&#039;s how I suspect many of them would respond:

&lt;i&gt;1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?&lt;/i&gt;

Climate is something that has been changing for the worse, especially since Bush stole the election in 2000, leading to the inevitable death of the planet.  Climate depends on the greed of Big Oil, huge multi-national corporations, overpaid CEOs, and war-mongering neocons like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and McBush (McCain). 

&lt;i&gt;2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?&lt;/i&gt;

The extremes of climate in Kansas (as well as everywhere else in the world) are due to rich, racist, sexist, homophobic Republicans driving SUVs and not caring about polar bears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always the skeptic when no primary sources are provided, I checked out snopes.com about this.  Amazingly, snopes doesn&#8217;t dispute the authenticity of the exam, only that the exam fails to prove that American education is in decline (which is a matter of opinion rather than fact; I always thought that snopes was a fact checking site).  One argument made is that a student from 1895, having been recently drilled on the information required in the exam, will of course fare better than even adults of today.</p>
<p>Snopes also uses an argument I&#8217;ve often heard from my brother and sister-in-law (both educators) &#8211; that knowledge of the late 19th Century is simply irrelevant in the early 21st Century.  Although it&#8217;s true that the subject matter of some of the questions is culturally specific to rural Kansas in the 1890&#8217;s (bushels of wheat, acres of land, etc.), I would counter that its not the <i>content</i> of the knowledge, but rather the <i>quality</i> that&#8217;s being tested &#8211; what educators refer to as higher order thinking skills.  (See this link to an overview of <a href="http://www.ceap.wcu.edu/Houghton/Learner/think/bloomsTaxonomy.html" rel="nofollow">Bloom&#8217;s taxonomy</a>.)</p>
<p>In my brief career as a substitute teacher, I found that a lot of high school students&#8217; time was spent on finding words in the textbook and copying them into blank spaces on worksheets.  When compared to the level of thinking required of their counterparts in the 1890&#8217;s, I think today&#8217;s students are really getting short changed.</p>
<p>Looking over the 1895 test, I only found two questions that most students in 2008 would feel comfortable answering.  Here&#8217;s how I suspect many of them would respond:</p>
<p><i>1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?</i></p>
<p>Climate is something that has been changing for the worse, especially since Bush stole the election in 2000, leading to the inevitable death of the planet.  Climate depends on the greed of Big Oil, huge multi-national corporations, overpaid CEOs, and war-mongering neocons like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and McBush (McCain). </p>
<p><i>2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?</i></p>
<p>The extremes of climate in Kansas (as well as everywhere else in the world) are due to rich, racist, sexist, homophobic Republicans driving SUVs and not caring about polar bears.</p>
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