I have recommended Grits for Breakfast as an excellent liberal blog (excellent and liberal being an oxy-moron so please consider the context as used) a few times in the past. I have found the moderator to be very fair, unlike our local liberal blog, amazingly prolific in his writings although wrong, and very accommodating of my not so tactful commentary. I think he is a lawyer for the ACLU or something along that line.
But a recent post entitled Mexican meth: ‘I’m afraid what we did was create a monster’ is paticularly disturbing to me. Sometimes when I think that liberal philosophy can’t possibly get any lower I always seem to find something to prove me wrong. I’ve posted a series of replies this was my last post. I think all should read the entire post at Grits. Also check out the site referenced by Rusty www.leap.cc It’s right up there with the ACLU as far as a destructful influence on our nation.
I will try to use some of your own figures against you. But first let me make myself clear that I’m not talking about pot. Sure I will agree, pot is probably the most harmless innocuous drug of all, legal or not. I will argue that it is not totally harmless, but for this conversation lets stick to meth, crack, PCP, Ecstasy and heroin. The truly dangerous and devastating drugs. I don’t know why you even brought up pot as the original post involved legalization of meth.
Lets start with you own facts which I will agree with. Forgive my lack of knowledge of HTML.
–Did you know tobacco will KILL over 400,000 this year, alcohol will
over 112,000 this year, legal drugs will kill over 32,000 this year! ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS ” COMBINDED” will kill about 17,000 this year!!! –
By your own figures the fact, that most drugs are illegal, kept deaths to 17,000. While the total of legal drugs is 542000. And you think what, that it will improve if we legalize it. How can you be so naive? And lets take the statement by the guy on your film about how if we legalize drugs we can keep them from children. How stupid, that really works with alcohol and tobacco huh? The one guy makes a big deal about how many people quit smoking after “education” about the health effect. He conveniently excludes how many start each year.
Roadsidebetty says it well
–Our current “war on drugs” manifests so many benefits here in the land of the free….employment opportunities in the corrections industry, police, social services, health care, etc., which feeds our capitalist public and private machine.–
There is a huge profit for the government(consisting mostly of lawyers)to continue to have drugs available. The only way these trial lawyers and drug counselors, tobacco and alcohol producers and others of this ilk could make more money is to legalize drugs. What will the cost of human life and lives be when they can walk into any store and buy whatever. Millions? And you think it will then be unavailable to children?
And your films attempt to connect the war on drugs with bigotry really pisses me off. By your own films statements the fact is that minorities are the prime dealers of drugs. Remember the guys statement, he cleaned up one neighborhood and in comes the Jamaicans and Haitians. All black. Do you really want to help blacks become productive rather than destructive? Then you got to get drugs out of that community. But the bigger point is that I don’t and no one else should care what the color of the dealer is. As in the old stephenwolf song they should lined up against the wall and shot. White black or in between.
I live in Canyon Tex. A small nearly all white town. My daughters when we moved here three years ago came home and told me they can get meth anytime they want. I scoffed at the idea. She came home and gave me some the next day. Supplied by a 14 yr old white kid. Meth is a huge problem in this area. You see the rotten teeth and parched skin in all the faces of the people in the building trades or any where mandatory drug testing isn’t practiced. Amarillo has a huge number of homeless whites all with the meth look, a cousin of mine being one of them. Race is not the issue.
– Have ” YOU ” ever put your LIFE where your mouth is??? Many in leap put their whole entire adult life on the line EVERYDAY for this failed policy! Until you have been in the trenches fighting this madness ALL YOU ARE IS TALK–
I did 23 years in the Navy 3 tours of Vietnam. The NVA use to sell pure heroin on the streets of Hong Kong, Singapore and other 3rd world countries (as a tactic to weaken the war effort) we would pull into for liberty.
There would be an average of 8 overdose deaths each time. One of which was a friend of mine who died puking and downing on his own vomit in front of me before I could get help for him. He had purchased on the streets of Hong Kong a 1/4 oz. of heroin for 50 dollars. Pure heroin. I’ll confess to have been a “Hippy” and pot smoker in those days but never touched the hard stuff. Again the old Stephenwolf song was something, that for some reason stuck in my mind.
After his death I volunteered to become a drug counselor in the Navy. (this was before effective urine testing and part time for me)It didn’t take me long to see that even in the military environment the punishment for conviction of use and sale was to lenient, basically a joke as it is in general society now.
I challenge you on this statement you made.
–Kill drug dealers, did you know those countries THAT DO, or used to. Had and have to kill more EVERY YEAR, FACT!!!–
This is a blatant lie. Tell me one country that kills dealers and ends up with a bigger problem of drug use among the citizenry. And supply me with a believable reference.
It is difficult to cover all I would like to say on this subject in this format but I will say one thing again. It was alluded to by you but then promptly glossed over with liberal crap and much better said by roadside betty but still to mild. The profit motive of drugs has got to be eliminated. Minorities including those south of the border are the prime suppliers, whites are the prime users, but above them all are the enablers. The enablers are the lawyers both trial and those that run our government. You show a few ex police types in your film but I’ll bet money that the average member of your so called “Law enforcement against prohibition” is not the average cop on the street. I’ll bet they are trial lawyers and others of that ilk.
If you really want to stop dangerous drugs and the deaths and ruined lives both black and white then you are going to have to get real about punishment. Anyone caught with drugs should be th rowed into solitary confinement until they give up the name of and testify against the small dealer. (oh but wait snitching is bad thing too) The same for him until he gives up the name of the big dealer. The big dealer should be executed as painfully as possible in public and in the neighborhood where he did the dealing. And it should be done quickly not twenty years later after the lawyers have bilked the taxpayer out of every cent possible and when no one even remembers who the dealer was.
Your film makes a big deal out of it taking two years to get a bust. Thats because of the staggering amount of evidence needed for conviction and the tippy toe fear of breaking some stupid liberal privacy,or profiling law.
Growers and manufactures in what ever county should be bombed. In fact the government of that country should be bombed for allowing it to get across the border. The profit motive has got to be removed not amplified by legalization. And the only way that will happen is if those considering that despicable trade are put in mortal fear for their and their families life. If you believe anything else and especially if you support anything else then you are the problem, and those deaths and ruined lives are your fault.
This post doesn’t make any sense at all.
I see you still blame everything bad in the world on liberals.
What an honorable American patriot!
go to grits for breakfast first and read the entire article then come back to mine
I did.
Everything you say is wrong. You don’t understand that the very nature of the problem has changed since “ice” hit the streets. Its more dangerous, more addictive, etc. Cold turkey quitting would be almost impossible. Trust me – its bad here. It certainly shouldn’t be legalized, but why hijack a thread from another site and bring it here? You only do that when you start losing and you did that right from start on that thread by calling for executions for contraband posession.
Ya know, since you were in such an uproar about “virtual child porn” and how much you hate gays its hella damning to see you OR ANY OF YOU not post a damn thing about Foley’s scandal.
Rehab for molesters if they blame alcohol, but the death penalty for meth use with no statutory rape?
*End Transmission*
Be clear about one thing Clint I am a conservative not a neo , not a republican, I am a conservative.
Foley was an idiot same as Barney Franks who was defended by democrats and who did even worse. Notice the democraps are pretty silent about Foley. At least Foley was man enough to resign, unlike the Mass fag. If I had my way foley and all other child molesters would be executed. That defective gene would be removed from the pool. A little bleach so to speak.
Of course you would protect them and blame it on the government in some stupid twisted liberal way.
I notice there is no mention of Jefferson on your site.
And I did not hijack, I gave proper credit to the site. A much better site than PTS by the way.
And the post and my response are about a group that would legalize meth, ice, crank whatever you want to call it. They want to legalize all drugs heroin, pcp all of it. Another ignorant destructive liberal idea.
And you obviously did not read it all as I called for the death penalty for dealers and manufactures not users. Quiting might be tough but if there is none to be had it will be the only option.
Also you would have seen that I would remove alcohol as a n excuse for any crime and charge any any one who kills another while drunk with premeditated murder. Nor did I call for execution of contraband possession.
If your going to comment don’t lie about reading the entire post.
–rehab for molesters if they blame alcohol, but the death penalty for meth use with no statutory rape?–
This comment you made is incomprehensible. I don’t know what liberal ass you pulled this out of.
I don’t even have a site – pay attention.
On PTS, if thats what you mean Jefferson came up several times.
I didn’t defend him as you have dismissed the charges against foley by “not knowing” where I got allegations of stauatory rape. Oldest kid was 16. He met et least one of them for sex. Do the math.
I’ve never seen any hard leftist push for legalization of all drugs. If anything, they’d be for more regulation.
Nor did I call for execution of contraband possession.
Celtictexan
just execute all drug dealers in the us or mexico problem solved. But oh wait what about there civil rights stupid liberals stupid lawyers
Celtictexan
I really like how you told me I’d find a way to blame drugs on the government and the GOP, but you had already blamed liberals on the other site when you posted that. LOL
I did read the thread…enought to know your idiot self posted a dead link.
*claps* Bravo, good show!
Of course I should thank you for linking us to a funny thread where you lose the argument over and over and get funnier and funnier. Seriously, thanx.
You lost this non-argument both places. Just accept defeat before you look dumber to any of us.
If the link is dead cut and paste and hit enter. http://www.leap.cc . Witness your liberals at work. This group works hand in hand with the ACLU
As far as the rest of what you said I don’t even know what your talking about. You remind me of trying to speak to some one very high on meth. The way you leap back and forth between disconnected subjects. So lay of the meth for three days and then get your self some really sweet candy, calm down then come back and try to make a rational arguement.
Whatever, you know I don’t do drugs.
My posts make sense, while yours don’t.
I chose my subjects based on your post above.
I was too lazy to quote you point for point.
Frankly, you’re not worth it.
If you couldn’t follow my complete sentences with correct word usage, yet you understand your uniformed tirades…
who is the real head?
–I chose my subjects based on your post above.–
Drug legalization to Foley. Yeah you really follow the subject.
You do admit one thing that is obvious though.
–I was too lazy to quote you point for point.–
That always shows in your posts also. I think its what makes your respones so disconnected.
Frankly, you’re not worth it.
Shut up and go away then fly. shoo shoo
If I’m a fly, what might you be?
In your insect mind, hopes, and dreams most likely a certain part of the male anatomy.
Drug legalization to Foley. Yeah you really follow the subject.
There really is only one subject:
bushitlerchimpsterwmdchristmastianfundiehypocritesyour’eapoohpoohhead
I offered this explantion of this phenomenon back in July:
http://www.ivorydome.us/2006/07/08/field-independence-v-field-dependence/
I agree with Clint that Foleygate is a topic worth discussing on this blog. I’ll try to post my impressions this weekend. Looking forward to your comments, Clint (as well as Celtictexan and Bodacious).
Once again, we’re back to your latent homosexuality….
It always comes down to weenies and buttsex with you doesn’t it , Celtic?
And Curious, you are also on meth by Celtic’s logic. Discuss.
Be careful or he’ll demand your execution too…LOL!
Anyway, my first post was on the subject. Celtic made a post that only made the point that he has no idea what hes talking about. I pointed that out and concurred.
And Curious, you are also on meth by Celtic’s logic. Discuss.
I just took about half of my lunch hour to re-read Celtic’s original post and the subsequent comments. I even went back to the Grits for Breakfast post and comments and read them as well.
I’m trying very hard to follow what you mean, so I can discuss it intelligently. This is the best I can come up with:
You see the rotten teeth and parched skin in all the faces of the people in the building trades or any where mandatory drug testing isn’t practiced.
As a paralegal, I don’t have to submit to mandatory drug testing, but if I had to, I’d pass with flying colors. My teeth are in relatively good shape for a 56-year-old – a few root canals and crowns, but very little decay. I have dry skin, which I treat with a generic version of Olay, but I wouldn’t describe my skin as parched. So I don’t think he was referring to me as being on meth
Amarillo has a huge number of homeless whites all with the meth look, a cousin of mine being one of them.
I’m white, but not homeless; I’ve lived in what most would describe as an upscale neighborhood in southwest Amarillo for the last 13 years. Celtictexan and I are not cousins, either (despite the similarity in our names
).
You remind me of trying to speak to some one very high on meth. The way you leap back and forth between disconnected subjects.
I believe Celtic was addressing you, not me.
There. As best I could, I’ve discussed your thesis that by Celtictexan’s logic, I’m on meth. Did I miss something?
While we’re on the topic of discussion, did you read my old post about field dependence/field independence (see the linke above)? I’d be interested in your comments on that as well.
BTW, “Whatever” doesn’t qualify as a discussion.
Remember he said he’s to lazy to make proper reply’s so “whatever” is about as enrgetic as he can get.
Well he does seem to perk up when ever there is news of child molesting going on, as with his bringing Foley into a post on legalizing drugs.
Curious, I can dismiss your whole argument that a persons “learning architecture” or thinking style affects their political leanings, because I’ve always been a smart kid. I used to be more conservative…I did deliveries and listened to AM and loved it. My dad and I watched Rush’s TV show and yukked it up.
Now, my dad and I are both as liberal as they come.
The only differences are time, ( I’ve done some growing up) and we’ve both seen what total republican power does to the country we love. The chance that we both changed our thinking styles pretty darn low. We both still love to cook and create (he woodworks and I design/watercolor.) I genuinely don’t see a thought pattern change in my life or my dad’s, but I have seen the world change around me.
The reason I mentioned meth use on your part, (framed with an LOL so u might not take me seriously) was to illustrate to Celtic that just because I didn’t stick to his bizzare topic, that I was obviously on meth.
He’s done the same thing in his above post, though. He points out that I respond to threads about molesting… If you or he’d like to check the record you’ll see that he’s the one who brought up the topic (Virtual CP) at PTS. He then recreated the thread here and invited me to respond. If anyones go it on the brain, its our pal Celtic. Then he used the same kind of tactic with this latest fight hes picked at his “new turf.” He keeps going until his argument suffers a fatal blow or twelve and then he takes the thread somewhere else for another crack at it.
Hmmm, I wonder if this one is on another blog by now…
–If you or he’d like to check the record you’ll see that he’s the one who brought up the topic (Virtual CP) at PTS.–
Yeah me against you for. I bring up drugs and you bring up Foley.
–I used to be more conservative…I did deliveries and listened to AM and loved it. My dad and I watched Rush’s TV show–
–Now, my dad and I are both as liberal as they come.–
–The chance that we both changed our thinking styles pretty darn low –
*Scratching head wondering what the hell that means*.
@ Celtic:
Jeez man! Learn to read, I was answering Curious’s question about the two ways he learned that people think and learn. I was letting him know background on two people who used to have one political viewpoint and changed because of current events and seeing things differently. That’s something he says won’t happen as dems just can’t see the light on how this is a War on Terra and Islamofascists will kill us all, blah blah blah. Why do you answer everyone else’s posts? Are you on meth?
What does “me against you for” mean anyway?
Never trust a junkie!
I’ve always been a smart kid. I used to be more conservative…
I guess you really were a smart kid, Clint!
Now, my dad and I are both as liberal as they come.
I don’t know what your dad’s problem is, but I can definitely relate to your situation. I supported Goldwater for President as a 14-year-old, I argued with my father about the Vietnam War when I was 16 (I was for, he was against).
Then I went off to college, and for the better part of four years, I too was “as liberal as they come.” Getting out into the real world helped me get my head screwed on straight again. Perhaps there’s still hope for you, too.
The only differences are time, ( I’ve done some growing up) and we’ve both seen what total republican power does to the country we love.
I think that you, me and even Celtictexan can agree that the Republicans have messed things up, especially over the last 12 year of congressional majority. But what fair weather conservatives do isn’t relevant to political beliefs.
It’s tantamount to saying, “I used to be a Christian, but when I found out what hypocrites Baptists (or Methodists, Episcopalians, Presybterians – take your pick) are, I became an atheist.” The tenets of Christianity aren’t false because some who claim to be believers don’t live up to those ideals.
Ronald Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican, but that doesn’t make him a flip-flopper. He often said, “I didn’t leave the Democrat Party, it left me.” If John Kennedy hadn’t been gunned down in Dealy Plaza, he probably would have joined the GOP, too (strong defense, tax cuts, etc.).
Turning liberal because some conservatives betrayed their ideals is defining yourself by what you’re not, as opposed to what you are.
I think while young and impressionable we all start out “AKA” liberal. More specifically rebellious. Age along with the hard knocks of life begins to define and make obvious the wisdom of conservatism. Reason begins to assert control over emotionalism. Some unfortunately never gain control of their emotions. Liberalism, the do anything, anytime as long as it feels good way of thinking, is pure emotionalism. It’s a lifestyle devoid of the logic and reason necessary to recognize that sometimes what feels good is harmful. It’s the animal asserting itself over the reason that makes humans, human. The reason and logic that has made Western Civilization the greatest to ever exist on this planet.
Neither Democraps nor Republicons messed up this country. Both were honorable and respectable parties (for the most part) prior to the 60’s. Liberalism messed up this country and both parties. Today each party in its own way continues to enable and empower liberalism. Anyone with a shred of honesty will admit that which ever is in power, all is the same except for the talk. Drunks and druggies in both parties, sex perverts and fiends in both parties, child molesters in both parties, thieves, liars, manipulator’s. Both the same in behavior, just the lies from their mouths that are different.
20 posts and not a word has been said about my original comment on the latest effort of liberals to push Western Civilization to its ultimate demise. Leap (Law Enforcement against Prohibition) wants to legalize all drugs. Meth, heroin you name it. An organization fronted by a few ex cops but consisting mostly of and totally funded by trial lawyers eager to make more money from human misery. Weird
I think while young and impressionable we all start out “AKA” liberal.
Nope, I was more conservative when I was younger. (see above)
Age along with the hard knocks of life begins to define and make obvious the wisdom of conservatism.
Jay Z is a republican?
Anyway, I see you pushing and pushing this idea that only liberals want to legalize all drugs, and I specificallly remember John Stossel’s (hes definitely a conservative) hour-long 20/20 report on how we should do just that. Both parties have toyed with the idea as I see it and both have luckily decided against it. Its really just a red herring anyway. NORML has been around for decades and MJ is still illegal. Great job, guys!
Pot legaliazation initiatives would get alot of folks to the polls, but legalizing the drugs (like cocaine-based amphetamines and methamphetamines) that make your heart explode and act as “crook fuel” is generally accepted as a bad idea.
Its fun to blame liberals for everything. It might feel good, but its pure emotionalism.
I don’t blame liberals for all of it just the public philosophy of it. Behind the scenes the lawyers and capitalists others of that ilk are also eagarly wringing their hands.
Isn’t it amazing how this site follows the post and generates advertising? I’m looking at a bunch of drug detox stuff now. Guess it thinks were worried about getting a job or something. I remember when I posted about partial bith abortion. Stuff came up about where to get one.
Jay Z is a republican?
Some people seem to think so.
http://www.playahata.com/pages/papi/rapisrepublican.htm
http://nahright.com/news/2006/09/15/jay-z-kingdome-come-details/#comment-159299
http://www.ballerstatus.net/editorials/read/id/71812893/
At $320 million, he’s certainly rich enough to be one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z
Heh, i didn’t even know idome has ads.
I use a blocker…shhhh
“Well he does seem to perk up when ever there is news of child molesting going on, as with his bringing Foley into a post on legalizing drugs.”
LOL
Yeah I don’t get that. Something about the legalised child porn thing really set him off.
Lol, you brought it (VCP) up in a thread on PTS that had nothing to do with it & called me out over here when you lost there.
You guys lost that argument BIGTIME.
How is it that you guys can pull out all the stops, use every debating tactic known to man and still lose to one commenter?
It’s because I’m right and you are wrong about all of this stuff.
and Jay-Z is not a repub….
That’s worse than when you called Prince bubblegum!
I have a theory about you Celtic. Do ya wanna know what it is?
Well to be perfectly honest, its really more of a hypothesis or hypo theory.